Separation of Church and State in Oklahoma

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Demigod Posts: 1031 08/04/08 7:31 AM innocent iconoclast	Tags : None I am curious as to what specific issues & actions we might be able to agree on pursuing. As we come from a variety of political backgrounds I wonder if anyone here is opposed to standing up against any of the following (or other) typical Violation of Separation issues. Do you feel any of these are important? Why or why not? - Office of Faith Based Inititiatives - 10 Commandment Monuments, Crosses, other religious monuments - Church Politicking - "In God We Trust" - "Under God" Pledge - School Vouchers - School Bible Studies - School Prayer - Anti-Science Efforts - Anti-Gay Efforts - Anti-Choice Efforts A cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense. credit
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Olympian Posts: 4453 08/04/08 4:58 PM AOK Devil's Advocate	Office of Faith Based Initiatives (state law and policy) Anti-Science Efforts (state law) Church Politicking (OK congregations, federal law) Religious monuments (state law, fed law) "In God We Trust" and"Under God" in federal law Anti-GLBT, anti-women efforts (broad popular fronts making steady progress on these) Don't care overmuch about: School Bible Studies (unless teacher-led) School Prayer (unless teacher-led) School Vouchers (unless restricted to sectarian schools) Atheists are OK WEB \| YUKU \| MYSPACE Last Edited By: tergiversant 08/04/08 5:09 PM. Edited 1 time.
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Hero Posts: 91 08/10/08 11:56 PM	I second Terg.
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Poster Child Posts: 1 08/17/08 8:48 AM	My husband is a Pagan so he talked me into naming our daughter Pagan. We mostly call her Paige, but I know that if we were to enroll her in public school here in OKL that she would be singled out. I've read about OK school bashings done by Christians since they are the majority here, they frequently single out the non-beleivers. She is 3 years old and about to take the testing to be in 2nd grade, so I think she is doing considerably better than any public school would have done for her.
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Poster Child Posts: 2 02/14/09 11:26 PM	I wouldn't bother too much with the ten commandments. Though they're not the source of morality for everyone, congresses of the past based a few laws on them, whether we like it or not, it's part of our history.
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Olympian Posts: 4453 03/13/09 9:22 PM AOK Devil's Advocate	Dingo wrote: I wouldn't bother too much with the ten commandments. Though they're not the source of morality for everyone, congresses of the past based a few laws on them, whether we like it or not, it's part of our history. Slavery and severe restrictions on suffrage rights are also part of our history, but I'd never think to glorify those aspects of our past at, say, the courthouse lawn. That just seems like an incredibly bad idea, like killing people for violations of the first tablet of the decalogue (also part of American history).
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Poster Child Posts: 2 10/24/09 7:08 PM	Sorry it's taken so long for a reply, I've been living in my car, and I don't own a laptop to get on wifi at the coffee shop in town or at McDonald's. I gotta say, I understand your position on this, terg. But I wasn't meaning, nor would I ever mean to, glorify the horrific paths that religion has led society down. I'm thinking more of a history lesson. Remember the mistakes of the past to avoid making them again sort of thing. But with the ten commandments should come most other ancient laws that we have adopted in some form or another. And if a courthouse refuses to make room for the other laws, they don't get to have the ten commandments. It's all or nothing. I feel if a courthouse has to display laws of Islam with Christianity, especially in Oklahoma, they'd concede. (I was raised southern baptist, so the NT laws aren't as offensive/cruel to me as it is to other people. The OT laws do still sicken me, as they should anyone, and I would fight tooth and nail to keep them out of any law-making/enforcing building or agency. Deut 22:28-29 comes to mind, though it was explained to me that it really -was- protection for the victim at the time. A raped woman appeared as worthless and unwanted, glad we've evolved as a society past that.)
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